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Home Reviews Videos Archives Contact Us Subscribe Newsletter egmCarTech HOME REVIEWS VIDEOS GARAGE SEND US A TIP Daimler, Renault-Nissan face challenges over who can build a better battery for EVs Posted: Apr 17, 2010 Filed under: Daimler, Hybrids, Green News, Industry News, Nissan Email Daimler AG and Renault-Nissan last week announced a strategic alliance where both will cooperate on building electric-vehicles. The two groups also announced an equity exchange that will give the Renault-Nissan Alliance a 3.1% stake in Daimler and Daimler a 3.1% stake in Renault and a 3.1% stake in Nissan. Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche says that the Stuttgart automaker will become the leading manufacturer for electric-car batteries – the only problem is, the company’s new business partner CEO Carlos Ghosn has the same idea. Both have promised to produce the best battery power pack as they kick off plans to jointly produce electric-cars. “Daimler has been a company that has traditionally been reluctant to give up its own technology path,” said Anil Valsan, the London-based director of automotive research at Frost & Sullivan. “While Daimler”s battery may have a technical edge, Renault-Nissan”s solution may end up being more cost competitive.” - By: Kap Shah Source: Bloomberg Share | Email Print | || Search HOME NEWS IN DEPTH REVIEWS BLOGS VIDEO EVENTS RESOURCES HOT TOPICS : POLICY TECHNOLOGY ENERGY INVESTMENT SCIENCE MANAGEMENT TRANSPORT CANCUN 7 DAYS MANAGEMENT POLICY ENERGY INVESTMENT TECHNOLOGY WORK TRANSPORT SCIENCE ANALYSIS FEATURES OPINION IN PICTURES POLLS READER COMMENTS SPECIAL REPORTS INTERVIEWS TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY BOOKS JAMES' BLOG INDUSTRY VOICE SCEPTIC TANK GLOSSARY Home Review Technology Electric car face off - Nissan Leaf and Renault Fluence ZE go head-to-head BusinessGreen.com sizes up two of the most high-profile electric cars ahead of their launch next year By Lem Bingley 04 Aug 2010 Verdict Renault and Nissan have made different choices to bring full-size electric cars to market in 2011. Both are good cars for urban or suburban use but the Leaf is ultimately a more integrated and enticing product. If the Fluence ZE were a BlackBerry smartphone, the Leaf would be an iPhone. Price: TBC Manufacturer: Renault and Nissan Rating: REVIEW < Continued from page 1 2 The UK government last week made a rare exception to its spending review process, otherwise scheduled to conclude in October, by confirming grants for the purchase of electric cars would go ahead. The grants contribute 25 per cent towards the purchase of battery electric cars or plug-in hybrids, up to a maximum of £5,000 per car. In total £43m has been allocated – sufficient for an initial 8,600 cars – starting in January 2011 and running until the end of March 2012, with a review slated for January 2012. The coalition's plan is a sizable step back from the £230m funding announced by the Labour government in February, but is nonetheless a major leap forward in making electric cars more affordable in the short term. Those vehicles eligible for the revised scheme are yet to be confirmed, but the original scheme was set to exclude slow and fragile electric runabouts such as the Reva G-Wiz, which are legally classed as four-wheeled motorcycles rather than fully fledged cars. The criteria laid out by Labour were: • Pure battery-electric, plug-in hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell power source • Zero emissions in use, or less than 75g/km for plug-in hybrids • At least 70 miles range for battery cars, or 10 miles on battery alone for plug-in cars • At least 60mph top speed • At least three years or 75,000 miles of vehicle warranty • At least three years warranty on the battery, with five years available on demand (presumably at additional cost) • Reasonable battery life after three years ("reasonable" to be defined) • Crash-tested to European, US, Japanese or an equivalent standard for cars • Compliance with electrical safety standards both when in use and when recharging The grant will be available to both business and private buyers, while business buyers will also benefit from other financial incentives, such as zero-rated benefit-in-kind tax, plus the facility to set 100 per cent of purchase cost against corporation tax in year one. A number of manufacturers are preparing to bring cars to market that will qualify for the grant, including Vauxhall, Ford, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Renault and Nissan. In the last month, BusinessGreen.com has been able to take a close look at two of the contenders: Renault's Fluence ZE and Nissan's Leaf, both of which are pure battery-electric cars capable of carrying five adults and travelling up to 100 miles on a single charge. Both cars are "C-segment" vehicles, of roughly the same proportions as a Ford Focus or VW Golf. However, the Nissan Leaf is a five-door hatchback – the most popular format for cars of this size in Europe – while the Renault Fluence ZE is a booted saloon. The Leaf is largely a clean-sheet design, built as an electric car from the outset, while the Fluence ZE is a modified version of a conventional model. The two cars look very different but they share some similarities under the skin. Their two makers are partners in the Renault-Nissan Alliance, a wide-ranging collaboration established in 1999, so engineers pooled their efforts on some control systems, for example. Lithium-ion battery cells for both cars will initially be made in the same Japanese factory, with production from a new UK factory due to supply both manufacturers from 2013. That's not to say that the cars are identical under the bonnet. The Leaf has a higher-powered motor at 107bhp to the Fluence’s 95bhp, for example, and a slightly higher top speed. The Leaf is electronically limited to 90mph, whereas the Fluence ZE is capped at 135km/h (about 83mph). A more significant difference is that Renault plans to support battery replacement during longer journeys. The plan is to build automated "swap stations" to unplug a depleted battery and replace it with a fully charged unit in just three minutes. The Leaf's battery, by contrast, is designed to stay put. To continue a long journey, Leaf owners will need to hook up to a standard mains supply for up to eight hours, or to a high-voltage fast charger for 20 to 30 minutes. In the near term, in the absence of swap stations (there is currently one prototype station in France and another in Israel), Fluence ZE drivers will similarly need to hunt down a standard or fast-charge socket to go beyond 100 miles. In practice, both vehicles will likely be used for relatively short journeys, returning to their home base for slow charging at the end of each day. Nissan's research suggests that only a minority of European car owners regularly travel more than 150km (93 miles) in a day. This view is supported by real-world trials carried out by rival makers, such as Mitsubishi. In the UK alone there are about six million households that run more than one car, often with the smallest car relegated to wholly urban or suburban duties. Electric cars can slot into this substantial niche with ease. Both cars carry the same number of lithium-ion cells and store an identical 24kWh of energy, although the layout of the cells differs. Because of the plan for swap-station removal, the Fluence's battery has been made as compact as possible. It is basically a big square lump bolted behind the rear seats, stretching from floor to parcel shelf and filling almost all of the space that might normally provide the boot. As a result, the standard Fluence bodyshell has been stretched by 13cm to provide reasonable boot capacity behind the battery. Even after this rump surgery, the Fluence ZE's boot remains tight at just 300l, and there is no option to slot large items through from the boot into the passenger compartment. The motor, control electronics, battery charger and cooling system, meanwhile, all live under the bonnet. The Leaf's battery, by contrast, is made up of cells spread out across the car's floor area. The charger is positioned behind the rear seats, leaving little of real bulk under the low, sloping nose. Fortunately the charger is relatively compact, allowing long loads to be carried over the folded rear seat backs. In practicality, then, the Leaf beats the Fluence. The low, spread-out position of the 250kg battery should also give the Leaf the edge in agility and passive safety. We've driven pre-production examples of the two cars, and both felt solid, composed and easy to drive – the Fluence's chassis engineers have done a fine job of disguising the large weight over the rear wheels. Both cars offer more than enough speed and acceleration to tackle busy urban roads as well as the odd bout of dual carriageway driving. 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The high point of the day was the women stepping up the game with a great level of riding, taking the same big cliff jumps as the men and creative line choices. Local Squaw Valley skier and Freeride World Tour wild card Jaclyn Paaso was without a doubt the biggest crowd pleaser. She took a massive cliff jump at the bottom of the face, faster and higher than most of the men, challenging them for the second heat.Three out of the four winners today (Windstedt, de Le Rue, Paaso) have scored enough points to climb to the top of the overall Freeride World Tour Ranking 2010, before the final stage Nissan Xtreme by Swatch in Verbier, March 20.Men Ski 1- Henrik Windstedt (SWE) 2- Aurélien Ducroz (FRA) 3- Reine Barkered (SWE)Women Ski 1- Jaclyn Paaso (USA) 2- Ane Enderud (NOR) 3- Ingrid Backstrom (USA)Men Snowboard 1- Xavier de Le Rue (FRA) 2- Matt Annetts (USA) 3- Ryland Bell (USA)Women Snowboard 1- Shannan Yates (USA) 2- Aline Bock (GER) 3- Susan Mol (USA)(Click here for Complete Results)Organizer Nicolas Hale-Woods (SUI) on the Competition Format Nissan Tram Face: best score outt of two runs“The majority of the athletes were really happy with the two-run format. It was a great opportunity for the sport to allow faster progression as the riders would attempt more tricks and push their limits more than if they only would have had one chance. And the good news is that no one would do anything dangerous above his or her abilities. We saw some amazing riding today.”Nissan Tram Face 2010 Action Highlights:Head judge for skiing,Eric Seymour (USA) on Henrik Windstedt’s winning second run:“Henrik showed the most progressive run of the day, throwing a giant backflip off the start straight into a big 360° (full rotation). He skied very fast and smooth all the way to his final air – a 45 footer (15 metres), which he landed perfectly. He managed to mix both new school freestyle and big mountain skiing.”Henrik’s winning run:Related posts:Freeride World Tour, Squaw Valley resultsThe 2nd Stop of the World Freeride Tour in Squaw Valley has left the leader...Freeride World Tour: Riders confirmed! 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More Gelleries » MPORA SkiSki Videos MPORA ACTION SPORTS NETWORK ©2010 FACTORY MEDIA Advertising | Partnership | Terms & Condition | Privacy Policy | Competition Rules || Home Features Video Powder TV Download Store Photo Gear 2011 Hard Goods 2011 Soft Goods Resorts Enter to Win Cheap Ski Movie Events DownHome Tour POWDER AWARDS MSP Tour TGR Tour Magazine Subscribe Give a Gift Digital Subscriber Services Store Stickers Freeride World Tour: Nissan Tram Face Squaw Valley By jstifter - February 27, 2010 - 13:11 FREERIDE WORLD TOUR: Nissan Tram Face Squaw Valley USA, Third Stage of the Freeride World Tour “The Best Riders on the Best Mountains in the Ultimate Freeride Competition” <http://www.freerideworldtour.com/>   <http://www.tramface.com> Squaw Valley, USA – February 23, 2010 – The pressure is rising with two out of four competitions already completed of the Freeride World Tour 2010. By the third tour stage, the leading candidates for the Freeride World Champion title will be looking to make a major impression on the infamous Tram Face in Squaw Valley USA, a face that has never officially been ridden before. Strictly illegal to ski, the Tram Face is being opened specifically for the Freeride World Tour competition. Its steep and seemingly un-skiable pitch, permanent closure, and tantalizing location in perfect view from Squaw Valley’s Village and base area, have made it a coveted descent among the strong local freeride community. Several of the top American riders are from Squaw Valley (Jeremy Jones, J.T. Holmes, Tim Dutton, Cody Townsend, Elyse Saugstad, Will Brommelsiek) and will clearly be aiming for victory on home snow and score important points on the FWT ranking. Conditions are great this year with the El Nino weather pattern bringing huge amount of snow to the Californian resort, and history will be made when the world’s best freeriders will get the chance to challenge the steep rock face. Rider Quotes JT Holmes (USA) – local Squaw Valley rider – 10th on the Freeride World Tour Ranking Men Ski: “I am looking forward to see the first descents that are going to be skied on Tram Face. The event has a potential to be the ultimate show for the public! We consider Tram Face the forbidden fruit and it will be nice to get a taste of it!” Julien Lopez (FRA) – winner of the Nissan Russian Adventure by Swatch and second on the Freeride World Tour Ranking Men Ski “As I already have skied in Squaw Valley I have of course noticed the Tram Face. It is a really mythical face! It will without doubts be a great event as the face never has been ridden and it will be a first for all of us. Although I am currently second on the ranking any scenario is possible for the final podium.” Aline Bock (GER) – Leading the Freeride World Tour Ranking Women Snowboard: “I feel very honoured to snowboard down a face that is normally illegal to ride and closed for skiers and snowboarders. The Tram Face looks playful with steep sections, nice jumps and many technical lines. I think the riders will provide a great show. Leading the FWT Ranking gives me a lot of confidence and I am still super happy about my win in Fieberbunn, but I also know, that it can change very quickly, so I just focus on the next event, trying to do my best and having lots of fun.” Leaders of the Freeride World Tour Ranking 2010 after Two Completed Contests (The Overall FWT Ranking Click Here <http://www.freerideworldtour.com/en/rankings/index.php?section=fwt&profil=menSki> ): Men Ski 1- Candide Thovex FRA 2 – Julien Lopez FRA 3- Kaj Zackrisson SWE Women Ski 1- Eva Walkner AUT 1-Janette Hargin SWE 3- Jess Mc Millan USA Men Snowboard 1- Mitch Toelderer AUT 2- Douds Charlet FRA 3- Xavier de Le Rue FRA Women Snowboard 1- Aline Bock GER 2 – Susan Mol USA 15th Anniversary of the Nissan Xtreme by Swatch, Verbier – the Final Stage of the Freeride World Tour: 20 March Since its inception in 1996 the “Verbier Xtreme” has been considered the most prestigious event in the freeride world.. 15 years of passion for freeriding, 15 years of great sports performances at its highest level will be celebrated at the “grande finale” of the Freeride World Tour 2010. For the occasion the 15 former winners of the event have been invited by the organisers. The elite of freeride will once again tackle the mythical North Face of the Bec des Rosses. The 2010 Freeride World Tour’s four stages: 1. NISSAN RUSSIAN ADVENTURE BY SWATCH – SOCHI, RUSSIA Date: Competition postponed to Chamonix-Mont-Blanc – 4 February 2010 2. NISSAN FREERIDE OF CHAMONIX-MONT-BLANC – FRANCE Date: 31 January 2010 3. NISSAN TRAM FACE – SQUAW VALLEY USA – UNITED STATES Date: 27 February 2010 4. NISSAN XTREME BY SWATCH – VERBIER, SWITZERLAND Date: 20 March 2010 Follow this Post No Comments Trackback Related Posts Freeride World Tour Nissan Tram Face Results Freeride World Tour Announces Third Season FWT Finals: Nissan Xtreme By Swatch, Verbier Switzerland Freeride World Tour Postponed in Russia and Moved to Chamonix/Candide Competing French Domination at Second Stage of the Freeride World Tour Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. 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